As a person with Chinese relatives, who learned Mandaein, holds a Master's honours degree in Chinese politics abd who in 1990s visited China alongside a trade delegation I am commenting. Organ harvesting from political prisoners you have left off and the brutaloty and genocude of Tianmen Square horror also the destruction of people's homes and livelihoods for the soectacle that was Beijing Olympics.
The apologists for Chinese Communism & Mao never ends, even with a genocide record of around 50-60 million of their own people!
You are either from the 'LEFT hand thief persuasion' or the 'RIGHT hand thief persuasion'!
I was watching Bernie Sanders crying about billionaires getting tax breaks whilst of course he's only a 'millionaire', yet somehow he is the 'stellar example' of a 'true socialist' - hypocrite! Mt 23
As with many of our politicians on the Left, doing very nicely thank you!
Just to refresh our memories on that score:
Mt 25:25 .. So I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sowed, and gather where I have not winnowed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has the ten talents. 29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness; there men will weep and gnash their teeth".
The old Marxist chestnut about 'poor people' & trying to milk it for all its worth, & yet DO nothing for them!
Of course whilst we trade with China, we are supporting slave labour, but that along with China's carbon footprint is not in our country, (what happened to global consequences) so that's ok except when it came to apartheid, because apart from a few bottles of wine we had nothing to lose in export dollars!
The hypocrisy of all these former politicians & the like is eye watering!
I'm especially shocked by Don Brash, given his 'Treaty PRINCIPLES Bill' stand! No principles on this one!
So why do you hold your views on Tibet? Why are you invested there? China’s human rights record is well documented, from Tibet to Tiananmen Square. You say Tibet was ruled by a ’Dictatorship’ and who/what rules China? - a ‘Dictatorship’.
We’ll never know what Tibet would have become so you’re really comparing apples and oranges. China wasn’t much fun 70 years ago either. But what is true is that China invaded Tibet and imposed its political system on the Tibetans. And that’s the system Jack and Trevor favour.
No anti-Beijing argument based on what has happened in Tibet over the last 70+ years can possibly succeed if it is honestly based on known and observed facts.
Choose any source of data you like, if you don't like the Chinese data use the American CIA factbook
The Tibetan people are now more numerous, richer, healthier, better fed, better educated and more widely travelled than at any time in their very long history.
Perhaps you wish to ignore all of that but are concerned about their religion.
Any Tibetan may practice Buddhism, Christianity, Islam or to have no religion at all. This is protected by law, unlike in the previous regime.
What is not permitted is to have Tibet ruled by a theocratic Llama dictatorship and a hereditary aristocracy who bought and sold peasants like slaves along with land and animals.
This is the change that you call "cultural genocide".
This is the utterly shameless hypocrisy of the Western liberal, when the autocratic Priest-kings and land owning aristocrats were removed in Europe, and electricity, roads hospital and schools came it was called liberation and progress.
When the autocratic Priest-kings and land owning aristocrats were removed in Tibet, and electricity, roads hospital and schools came it was called "cultural genocide".
The data exists and can be verified. I suggest that you examine it.
I would like these comments to be confirmed by an independent commentator before I give them any credence. Your comments are at odds with native Tibetan’s testimonies and paint Tibet as a perfect paradise?
Fine, use whatever independent commentator you like to verify what I have said. They will of course verify that "Tibet as a perfect paradise" is something YOU said, not me.
I presume that you will also require an independent commentator to verify the statements from "Namkyi" delivered to us second hand by Simon O'Connor, and all of his other statements as well.
Naturally, the exact same standards of evidence and proof will apply to everyone equally.
If "Namkyi" and Simon O'Connor are to be held to different standards than myself, then that will require its own explanation.
Thanks for setting the record straight Jack. Oconnor is a US schill. Regurgitating US propaganda. IPAC is funded by USAID and the Taiwan Foundation for Democracy. All the tired tropes he cites - Tibet / Hong Kong / Taiwan/ Uyghurs / have been debunked over and over again. He is a disgrace.
Despite continuing encroachment of Cancel Culture on all things regarding human Free Will making voices heard is valued.
The words of John Lennon in his ‘Imagine’ run through my head.
May it always freely do so.
I also had it come to mind the concept of Rudolph Steiner before Marxism overtook in popularity that Politics, Law and Health should never interfere with each other and be held separate.
Authenticity and an open mind can go far when allowed in a free society. Chasing the dollar subverts this.
My last sparkler in the dark: I am watching the Outlander tv series where a scotsman (and others) gives his word. And when that is done he honours it.
There is no more honour in this world that I can see. A politician asks for votes from his constituency then revokes his promises (mayhaps an exception with the Writer if this Substack) when he or she has to tow the Party line. I want politicians to be able to vote and act for the good of all New Zealanders - not bow to some hidden globalist overlord’s hand.
As a person with Chinese relatives, who learned Mandaein, holds a Master's honours degree in Chinese politics abd who in 1990s visited China alongside a trade delegation I am commenting. Organ harvesting from political prisoners you have left off and the brutaloty and genocude of Tianmen Square horror also the destruction of people's homes and livelihoods for the soectacle that was Beijing Olympics.
oh, the list could go on and on with these being two further, and tragic, examples. We of course have just recalled the anniversary of Tiananmen.
Please share whatever data you have on "Organ harvesting from political prisoners".
Names, dates, times, numbers are always appreciated. These are the details that can help us distinguish actual facts from fantasies.
The apologists for Chinese Communism & Mao never ends, even with a genocide record of around 50-60 million of their own people!
You are either from the 'LEFT hand thief persuasion' or the 'RIGHT hand thief persuasion'!
I was watching Bernie Sanders crying about billionaires getting tax breaks whilst of course he's only a 'millionaire', yet somehow he is the 'stellar example' of a 'true socialist' - hypocrite! Mt 23
As with many of our politicians on the Left, doing very nicely thank you!
Just to refresh our memories on that score:
Mt 25:25 .. So I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sowed, and gather where I have not winnowed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has the ten talents. 29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness; there men will weep and gnash their teeth".
The old Marxist chestnut about 'poor people' & trying to milk it for all its worth, & yet DO nothing for them!
Of course whilst we trade with China, we are supporting slave labour, but that along with China's carbon footprint is not in our country, (what happened to global consequences) so that's ok except when it came to apartheid, because apart from a few bottles of wine we had nothing to lose in export dollars!
The hypocrisy of all these former politicians & the like is eye watering!
I'm especially shocked by Don Brash, given his 'Treaty PRINCIPLES Bill' stand! No principles on this one!
So why do you hold your views on Tibet? Why are you invested there? China’s human rights record is well documented, from Tibet to Tiananmen Square. You say Tibet was ruled by a ’Dictatorship’ and who/what rules China? - a ‘Dictatorship’.
I think that you are a ‘usefool fool’.
We’ll never know what Tibet would have become so you’re really comparing apples and oranges. China wasn’t much fun 70 years ago either. But what is true is that China invaded Tibet and imposed its political system on the Tibetans. And that’s the system Jack and Trevor favour.
No anti-Beijing argument based on what has happened in Tibet over the last 70+ years can possibly succeed if it is honestly based on known and observed facts.
Choose any source of data you like, if you don't like the Chinese data use the American CIA factbook
The Tibetan people are now more numerous, richer, healthier, better fed, better educated and more widely travelled than at any time in their very long history.
Perhaps you wish to ignore all of that but are concerned about their religion.
Any Tibetan may practice Buddhism, Christianity, Islam or to have no religion at all. This is protected by law, unlike in the previous regime.
What is not permitted is to have Tibet ruled by a theocratic Llama dictatorship and a hereditary aristocracy who bought and sold peasants like slaves along with land and animals.
This is the change that you call "cultural genocide".
This is the utterly shameless hypocrisy of the Western liberal, when the autocratic Priest-kings and land owning aristocrats were removed in Europe, and electricity, roads hospital and schools came it was called liberation and progress.
When the autocratic Priest-kings and land owning aristocrats were removed in Tibet, and electricity, roads hospital and schools came it was called "cultural genocide".
The data exists and can be verified. I suggest that you examine it.
I would like these comments to be confirmed by an independent commentator before I give them any credence. Your comments are at odds with native Tibetan’s testimonies and paint Tibet as a perfect paradise?
Fine, use whatever independent commentator you like to verify what I have said. They will of course verify that "Tibet as a perfect paradise" is something YOU said, not me.
I presume that you will also require an independent commentator to verify the statements from "Namkyi" delivered to us second hand by Simon O'Connor, and all of his other statements as well.
Naturally, the exact same standards of evidence and proof will apply to everyone equally.
If "Namkyi" and Simon O'Connor are to be held to different standards than myself, then that will require its own explanation.
Thanks for setting the record straight Jack. Oconnor is a US schill. Regurgitating US propaganda. IPAC is funded by USAID and the Taiwan Foundation for Democracy. All the tired tropes he cites - Tibet / Hong Kong / Taiwan/ Uyghurs / have been debunked over and over again. He is a disgrace.
Despite continuing encroachment of Cancel Culture on all things regarding human Free Will making voices heard is valued.
The words of John Lennon in his ‘Imagine’ run through my head.
May it always freely do so.
I also had it come to mind the concept of Rudolph Steiner before Marxism overtook in popularity that Politics, Law and Health should never interfere with each other and be held separate.
Authenticity and an open mind can go far when allowed in a free society. Chasing the dollar subverts this.
My last sparkler in the dark: I am watching the Outlander tv series where a scotsman (and others) gives his word. And when that is done he honours it.
There is no more honour in this world that I can see. A politician asks for votes from his constituency then revokes his promises (mayhaps an exception with the Writer if this Substack) when he or she has to tow the Party line. I want politicians to be able to vote and act for the good of all New Zealanders - not bow to some hidden globalist overlord’s hand.
… Imagine a free country, it isn’t hard to do…