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Ken Tod's avatar

Henare is a sitting MP on the list. There was nothing at stake here for Labour, Henare stays as an MP regardless of the result - the electorate was therefore apathetic.

If he had won, it would have been another candidate coming off of the Labour list to fill the space left my Henare 'becoming' an electorate MP.

TPM, though were motivated, to a degree, and they just had to use social media to remind their supporters to vote and it was a simple yet effective method.

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KM's avatar

I can see Te Queenies words being framed to support the TPM victim narrative .. esp around the notion of Maori states within the National State of NZ.

TPM started out like naughty toddlers ... unfortunately their behaviour has not been checked (even with the parliamentry time out), so TPM has now progressed to sulky, petulant, myopic teenagers who are trapped in their own narrative and can't see past their own navals.

Anyone who doesn't think like them is an enemy and must be brought down.

Unfortunately the TPM toxic rhetoric is resonating with some young Maori who've have already been fed via the school indoctrination system, a steady diet of victimhood and world view that all things Maori = good, all things not Maori = bad.

If the TPM unruly teenagers aren't slapped with an appropriate consequence, their behaviour will get worse and it will tear the nation apart.

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Jos's avatar

73% voter dissatisfaction with TPM and Labour.

If NZF, Act, National had entered a single candidate (NZF have some good people) he/she could have taken the seat easily.

By not fielding a candidate, NZF, Act, National implicitly show their approval of having these extreme Maori activists in parliament.

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Pirate Hag's avatar

I hope the words of the Māori Queen resonate more than the victimhood, hate, and importation of American race politics exemplified by the Partly Māori party.

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Harrison Moore's avatar

It was something I never expected but I don’t live in the Tamaki Makaurau electorate so shouldn’t affect me too much. But, I am quite terrified of the potential for Labour getting elected next year and forming a coalition with two extremist party’s; one who chooses to tax your wealth, in which the other choosing to shout and perform hakas in protest inside the beehive. I’m proud to be a New Zealander and proud we live in a country that tries to uphold democracy, and I don’t want that privilege of ours to be stripped away and turned into communism or dictatorship which you see happening with Keir Starmer’s administration in the UK at the moment with their Online Safety Act Bill.

Awesome piece of writing, Mr. O’Connor it’s good to read after coming back from walking the dog I am taking care of.

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Stephen's avatar

Additionally, there shouldn't be a Maori queen! The Treaty delineated that when Maori ceded sovereignty, hence making Queen Victoria & subsequent monarchs their kings & queens!

This is what set off a war between the Crown & Maori in the 1860s centring on the 'Kingitanga movement'! A clear case of treason! That is also why land was confiscated following these illegal actions taken by Maori!

This is also why Parliament & especially the PM should not acknowledge her, & instead inform her of her duties under the Treaty!

So yes, "Let's truly honour the Treaty" for once!

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Dominic's avatar

What is a king, but a chief-of-chiefs? In the treaty, Māori retained their right to chiefdom. In Māori, a chief is a rangatira, and what they were promised was "total chiefdomship", as opposed to "governorship".

This totally matches with having a figurehead chief-of-chiefs, who has no real political power (legislative, executive) but who _represents_ a willful relationship of vesting sovereignty in a person for symbolic reasons. By another name this is: the reign of King Charles III of New Zealand.

So, the treaty actually guarantees the right of Māori to the kingitanga - far from treason, it is the explicit wish of (an agent of) the English monarch in 1840 that Māori retain this right.

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KM's avatar

The Kingitanga movement started after colonial settlers arrived. It represents only Tianui and some affliated Iwi.

There are many Iwi that don't recognise the Kingitanga movement as having any authority over them. So I find your argument for a 'chief of chiefs' draws a very long bow.

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Stephen's avatar

Let's understand the Treaty correctly according to the Final English Draft version; the 'Littlewood Draft':

"Her Majesty Victoria, Queen of England in her gracious consideration for the chiefs and people of New Zealand, and her desire to preserve them their land and to maintain peace and order amongst them, has been pleased to appoint an officer to treat with them for the cession of the Sovreignty [sic] of their country and of the islands adjacent to the Queen. Seeing that already many of Her Majesty’s subjects have already settled in the country and are constantly arriving: And that it is desirable for their protection as well as the protection of the natives to establish a government amongst them.

Her Majesty has accordingly been pleased to appoint me William Hobson a captain in the Royal Navy to be Governor of such parts of New Zealand as may now or hereafter be ceded to Her Majesty and proposes to the chiefs of the Confederation of United Tribes of New Zealand and the other chiefs to agree to the following articles.-

Article first

The chiefs of the Confederation of the United Tribes and the other chiefs who have not joined the confederation, cede to the Queen of England for ever the entire 'Sovreignty' [sic] of their country.

Article second

The Queen of England confirms and guarantees to the chiefs and the tribes and to all the people of New Zealand, the 'possession of their lands, dwellings and all their property'. But the chiefs of the Confederation of United Tribes and the other chiefs grant to the Queen, the 'exclusive rights of purchasing such lands' as the proprietors thereof may be disposed to sell at such prices as may be agreed upon between them and the person appointed by the Queen to purchase from them.

Article third

In return for the 'cession of their Sovreignty' [sic] 'to the Queen', the people of New Zealand shall be protected by the Queen of England and the rights and privileges of British subjects will be granted to them.

Signed, William Hobson

Consul and Lieut. Governor.

Now we the chiefs of the Confederation of United Tribes of New Zealand assembled at Waitangi, and we the other tribes of New Zealand, having understood the meaning of these articles, accept them and agree to them all. In witness whereof our names or marks are affixed. Done at Waitangi on the 4th of February, 1840.[1]

In Article 2, “the Queen of England confirms and guarantees to the chiefs and the tribes and to all the people of New Zealand (tangata katoa o Nu Tirani), the possession of their lands, dwellings and all their property (taonga).” The phrase “all the people” means “all the people” no more, no less, and includes Maori and settlers. By contrast in Article 3, when referring specifically to Maori, the text says “all the Maori people of New Zealand” ("tangata maori katoa o Nu Tirani")."

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Jim Dowsett's avatar

And yet she is not the King of all Māoris, only the few who choose to recognise her. The original King was ‘created’ in an attempt to put mainly Tainui on a level with Queen Victoria.

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Stephen's avatar

Thanks Jim!

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Stephen's avatar

Two left wing parties fighting over a seat that shouldn't exist! Abolish Maori seats! The original idea of having Maori seats has well exceeded its 'use by date'!

Both parties are radical in their own right, taking us away from our Judeo-Christian Westminster Parliamentary traditions!

Those traditions as established by Queen Victoria, prompting & promoting the 'Treaty of Waitangi/NZ'!

'Lest we forget'!

We don't need NZ to revert back to some form of 'tribal dictatorship' & inherent serfdom again! That is just a recipe for disaster & war as it was pre 1840!

We need to move forward not backwards!

Everyone living in NZ is a New Zealander! Race does not define us, but our adherence to the truth, the law, & manifesting that truth in our lives & our society, that a Middle Eastern man brought into the world!

That is our priority & our responsibility! Mt 28:18-20, Lk 8:21

That is what is under attack with all this 'race based' nonsense!

There is only 'one race'; the human race!

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